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end of game (spoilers)

Postby kryshcz » Wed Sep 22, 2010 1:50 pm

So I have finished playing yesterday and to be honest I am really disappointed. I really thought the game will continue when the heroes came back to Adretana.
Grand Commendanter - that's it? few blows, not really interesting fight. Since this one was the greatest villain of all, I expected a way much harder fight, not just finishing him in a few blows. and when I killed him I was like: "This can't be definitely the end of him. I believe he will be back."
I also expected how everyone will cheer, how there will be a really big feast and celebration. Not just Xander and Brussian welcoming them, saying hey,good job and that was it..
When I started playing LP1 so many years ago, it was full of shocking moments (I will never forget the attack on SankT Leona hospital - that just gave me shivers and it was awesome), it was also full of love between Sarah and Random.
In LF3 the only moment that gave me shivers was when Random and Sarah were in the room at the inn and Titanic attacked.

What I was missing is:
-hard and stunning GC fight (making me want to destroy my keyboard,screen and throwing pc case out of window .. well .. I have a laptop now so I would only throw a laptop out of window)
-heart-taking ending
-sweet moments between Random and Sarah
-Sarah was kind of useless in LF3 (not much dialogues since she is one of main characters, weak and useless spells - Oni, Sun Boomer Attack, Noxodox Curse etc. - never used them in LF3, yet were really helpful in past series)
-shocking and heart-stopping moments (like i said earlier)
-free-roam playing after finishing the game (I still haven't finished all the side-quests)
-Luciana should have died (It's not like I wanted her to die, I really love her since very beginning. I wouldn't stand it if she died but since she almost died, she should have. It would be really shocking dramatical moment)
-Random making decisions as leader (almost all decisions were made by Luciana)

But I don't want to say only the bad things about LF3. So the things i loved:
-Luciana (she is getting smarter and smarter, proved as a leader - just like a queen and a goddess would)
-Wendala (I never liked her since LP1 to LF2, but in LF3 I started to like her more and more, don't know why-maybe because her black-leather suit +::biggrin )
-Coryool (funny as always, especially his beer-bomb-attack - that just killed me how stupid thing he did)
-Guanidia (also funny as always - his cowardly dialogues)
-Louis (The last thing I expected was his comeback and working for GC)
-Kommender (I liked his way talking to GC, he talked to him like GC wasn't the baddest of all - no respects)
-I WILL play it at least one more time like I did the other parts (I played LP1 more than 5 times)

I can't think of more things now but when I remember some more, I would gladly post them

I also wanted to ask - when I finished, party appeared in Laxius Manor. Only accesible area is the basement-musem and I cannot leave the house. is that right? and if so, why? Is there no possible way to play further and finish side-quests?

Oh and one more thing.. I HATE!!! Daryl. He is such an annoying old ugly guy I would love to punch him in the face +::biggrin


STORY OVERALL - Indy, you did an awesome, really really awesome job making Laxius series and I love you for it. You have encrypted yourself and your work in my life and I will never forget that and I will never miss a single minute I spent playing your Laxius games. I have so many great memories on the times I played every part. You should receive a Nobel prize for this! Honestly, Laxius series were the games I loved most in my life even if the graphics aren't great.
I remember one time I asked you if LF3 will be the end and you said you yourself don't know yet. I hope you will continue in your work. I cannot imagine that I would never see Random, Sarah, Luciana and Wendala again.

so again, Indy, thank you very much for enriching my life so much, I am very touched and impressed +::cry +::Thumbup +::clap

Sincerely, your never-ending fan Specter (CZ)
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Re: end of game (spoilers)

Postby Indinera » Wed Sep 22, 2010 2:44 pm

A post that started with "really disappointed" and ended by a love declaration. +::lol :)

tbh I like the ending as it is, also to me the ending includes the moment you find the GC and all that happens after.
The celebration is left to the player's imagination, and the last scene gives an idea of Luciana's mindset after the war.
Beside, remember although this trilogy is over (the second trilogy was from the start about the Order and the GC), the last trilogy starts after this one.

One of your points I totally disagree with:
* no shocking and heart-stopping moments (like i said earlier)

I went +::O_o when you said this lol to me LF3 is better than all past 5 laxius games in that. You have Aliener, Titanic, the bomb attack, Louis's betrayal, the Hero Armor merging with Random, Apocalypsia, reviving of friends, the Forbidden Dragon after Luciana, the underwater Airport, the global War, the taking of the Airship, tricking Kommender and his robot, the GC scene, Luci killed by Random, Astral-Litz going down, the Iron Manor, Hondler, Guidibba, the narrow escape of Astral-Litz, can you name another Laxius where more happens?
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Re: end of game (spoilers)

Postby Indinera » Wed Sep 22, 2010 2:49 pm

btw something nobody noticed about the GC
His fight is "easy'" for a reason, he takes Random's hits as well as Luci when both are merged, that was the hwole point of Luci saying "if you kill me, you kill both"
So when you get to fight the GC, he is almost destroyed already (Luci is killed), and he has a "mangled" condition.
This is why he is "so easy", it makes sense story wise.
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Re: end of game (spoilers)

Postby kryshcz » Wed Sep 22, 2010 3:44 pm

the beginning where "really disappointed" is concerns the LF3. The end where "love declaration" is concerns all your work (both sagas+3stars)

I just said it the way i feel it. LF3 didn't touch me as much as other parts and the thing I missed the most was the love between Random and Sarah. Now that you mention all the events in LF3, I must correct my previous post: LF3 wasn't so big disappointment, just to me it wasn't as good as other parts. but that's just my opinion, please don't think I hate LF3 - no, I loved it. only a little less than other parts.

When I said "no shocking and heart-stopping moments" I meant these moments didn't touch me as much. But maybe it's only because I know what I can expect from your work after these years :)

about GC: it is logical that the fight is easy - yes. but after some time I will not even remember what he looked like since it was so short and easy fight. I can't tell this about Guiddiba - this monster will haunt my dreams a long time :)

I simply thought you might be interested in players' opinions and I thought about it as my duty to write my thoughts about Laxius sagas.

also please let me hear your answer about my question concerning the end of game (laxius manor)
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Re: end of game (spoilers)

Postby Indinera » Wed Sep 22, 2010 3:50 pm

If the love and especially the one between Random and Sarah is what "does it for you" in Laxius, then yes LF3 will be less good than the others. With all the attacks and attempts it's a bit more difficult to find moments for true love. +::O_o

But maybe it's only because I know what I can expect from your work after these years


I've always liked this part of the story better than the earlier parts personally. When it was still just a story like 20 years ago I *always* thought Hondler, Guidibba, Astral-Litz, Kommender etc formed the highlight of the story so far.

about GC: it is logical that the fight is easy - yes. but after some time I will not even remember what he looked like since it was so short and easy fight. I can't tell this about Guiddiba - this monster will haunt my dreams a long time


LOL

I simply thought you might be interested in players' opinions and I thought about it as my duty to write my thoughts about Laxius sagas.


Yes indeed! Just discussing with you as in, exchanging opinions.
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also please let me hear your answer about my question concerning the end of game (laxius manor)


it's a similar thing to the ending of laxius power 2 (lab). it's a bonus and does not belong to the "real ending" which stops with all 4 of them in the courtyard and Luci revealing her exhaustion.
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Re: end of game (spoilers)

Postby seeliewight » Wed Sep 22, 2010 4:01 pm

Indinera wrote:I went +::O_o when you said this lol to me LF3 is better than all past 5 laxius games in that. You have Aliener, Titanic, the bomb attack, Louis's betrayal, the Hero Armor merging with Random, Apocalypsia, reviving of friends, the Forbidden Dragon after Luciana, the underwater Airport, the global War, the taking of the Airship, tricking Kommender and his robot, the GC scene, Luci killed by Random, Astral-Litz going down, the Iron Manor, Hondler, Guidibba, the narrow escape of Astral-Litz, can you name another Laxius where more happens?


I'll add the Sarah kidnapping - seems to be a regular feature of all the games, like Bokden :)
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Re: end of game (spoilers)

Postby Indinera » Wed Sep 22, 2010 4:05 pm

Yes, but although it's a cool twist, I wouldn't call it shocking.
That she is not kidnapped would actually be shocking. +::biggrin
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Re: end of game (spoilers)

Postby Indinera » Wed Sep 22, 2010 4:06 pm

Similarly the lost island with Alex and Wendie is another fun twist but not (imo) to the level of a "Titanic".
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Re: end of game (spoilers)

Postby seeliewight » Wed Sep 22, 2010 4:09 pm

Indinera wrote:Similarly the lost island with Alex and Wendie is another fun twist but not (imo) to the level of a "Titanic".


Maybe just me - but I really like the fun twists maybe more than the serious ones. Alex's dreams, Hall of Madness, cat town - all were great!
I mean, I know that the world is in trouble, and the heroes must save it, but I like to have fun on the way too...
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Re: end of game (spoilers)

Postby kryshcz » Wed Sep 22, 2010 4:12 pm

seriously, I don't hate LF3. and I don't think that Laxius is all about Random's love to Sarah and vice versa. All i am saying is that it's a little sad there weren't love moments. I know, I know - there is no place for love moments when Titanic is kicking your ass, but when I remember LP2 where Sarah rode the horse such a long way only to see Random in Tyrine, I just miss it. I hope you understand that.

I am really glad to know that there is going to be another saga one day! Keep up the good work, we - your fans - will be suppporting you +::Thumbup
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Re: end of game (spoilers)

Postby seeliewight » Wed Sep 22, 2010 4:19 pm

+1 for love moments - in the game and outside! :)
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Re: end of game (spoilers)

Postby Indinera » Wed Sep 22, 2010 4:21 pm

kryshcz wrote:seriously, I don't hate LF3. and I don't think that Laxius is all about Random's love to Sarah and vice versa. All i am saying is that it's a little sad there weren't love moments. I know, I know - there is no place for love moments when Titanic is kicking your ass, but when I remember LP2 where Sarah rode the horse such a long way only to see Random in Tyrine, I just miss it. I hope you understand that.

I am really glad to know that there is going to be another saga one day! Keep up the good work, we - your fans - will be suppporting you +::Thumbup


You'll get more love moments in LS1 lol

The love moments in LF3 is when Sarah goes to see her new lover in Damaus lol and when Luci says she loves Random. :)
Anyway I'll try to remember this. There are love moments in LF3 but the action is more focused on the plot, to give a sensation of tense and urgency.
In that regards, the aborted love moments with R and S when Titanic bumps in is quite a summary of the whole game. +::biggrin
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Re: end of game (spoilers)

Postby seeliewight » Wed Sep 22, 2010 4:28 pm

Indinera wrote:You'll get more love moments in LS1 lol


YAY! yay!
Brussian - Marion.
Maybe Wendala - Kratin?
Deuterium - Lilly? or Lilly - Sandy?
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Re: end of game (spoilers)

Postby Indinera » Wed Sep 22, 2010 4:40 pm

Why Lilly-Sandy? lol
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Re: end of game (spoilers)

Postby kryshcz » Wed Sep 22, 2010 5:03 pm

then I am looking forward to play LS ! Thanks for hearing my thoughts out Indy, I appreciate and you should know, I didn't mean anything in any bad way.

when Luci says she loves Random

this is true, that was really nice of Luci to say it and it express the friendship between them

YAY! yay!
Brussian - Marion.
Maybe Wendala - Kratin?
Deuterium - Lilly? or Lilly - Sandy?


I don't think Marion or Sandy will be there since every player chose someone else to revive and it would be really tough to adapt it.

oh.. now I remembered one more breath-taking moment. The one when Leona died in LP2 +::cry +::cry
see? It really makes the game much more dramatic when someone dies. Noone wants it, but sometimes it's necessary :)
Also about Luciana's dying.. she should have died and then suddenly re-appeared in LS1 like that moron Louis did :)
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