Chapter 4 order of events question

[puzzled]

I have completed this game before but it's been a while.

I wanted to know if there are any quests or items that HAVE to be done before the arvendel dome event. I'm aware of the following:

1) baretta needs to be stocked and supplied before you go in and checked regularly during that event sequence (which also means you have to do the mage guild quests leading up to supplying her)
2) you have to do any tournament activities with the "doomed" characters


But is there anything else? I would prefer to do the arvendel dome event first thing in chapter 4 before doing the rest because it gives access to the best leveling spot/gold farming in the game in the heaven's trial, but I don't want to miss out on any quest/item if it has to be done before arvendel dome.

I remember there's an ambush sequence with louis in your party when doing the tower guild quest...does it really matter to have louis in your party or can you do arvendel and still complete the tower guild?

[Kale]

You're going into pretty unexplored territory here. I'm not certain how many people really explored this in enough detail to answer.

About all I can say is that certain quest chains (Such as (I believe) the initial mage guild quests) expire as you progress in game progress. In other words, guilds will periodically update their quest list based on your progress in the main quest. Any quests you do not complete before the quest list gets updated, would be lost to you. Some guilds, such as the Fighter's Guild, do offer a 'old quests' option. In those cases, you should still be able to review and complete older quests.

Which quests expire, and which quests do not is the real question; and I can't answer that.

[puzzled]

I'll have to experiment I guess - thanks for the response though.

I know that you must do some mage guild quests to boost your rating enough to get the supply barretta, and you obviously have to supply baretta in order to get all her items before/during the arvendel dome event. That I know for sure. In the old version you used to have to get the demon parts quest too before doing arvendel because taxtux was a major demon, but I just read the most current walkthrough and apparently taxtux is no longer needed, there are now 3 independent major demons that aren't taxtux.

I really want to do the main quest as soon as possible because I don't want louis sucking up the quest exp and I also want to use the heaven's trial to level up/farm gold to make everything else easier.

I wonder too in chapter 3 what would happen if you say, ignored the elven war guild until the very end - would you lose a ton of quests? I know some of their quests are added during the main story line, but I wonder what happens when they are added, does it make you lose any possibility of earlier quests or are the earlier quests still there for you to do?

I did experiment in chapter 1, I didn't follow mellokat's order at all. I got cocka right away, leveled up to 11 or so, then I skipped straight down to pazara and cleared it. The reason why is because clearing pazara triggers the secret admirer which gives you really good weapons for your early level, making the rest of chapter 1 a lot easier (makes farming mist wraiths possible earlier). Didn't lose out on any other quests.

[Kale]

Theoretically, you should be able to complete a quest as long as it still appears as a text option. At the core of it all, it would really depend on how Indinera decided to code each specific guild and quest chain. If he did it sequentially, you could theoretically start, stop, and continue their quest chain at your leisure. If he did it as paged events though, you would simply lose access to older quests once you've progressed far enough in the game. Each Guild does it slightly differently though, and I don't recall the Elven War Guild specifically enough to even guess which category it falls under.

One other thing you'll need to watch out for though, is quests that 'time out'. I know LF2 had the one quest that you had to complete almost immediately. If you waited too long to do it, the guild leader would tell you that "Someone else completed it". So even though you still had the text option for the quest; you already passed the period of time allotted to complete it.

Let us know how it turns out. I'm rather interested what the answer to this question is.

[puzzled]

Yeah I'll find out. I think what I will do is do the ones I know for sure are an issue (tournament + baretta/mage guild), then power level in heaven, and see what happens to the rest of the quests. If I happen to lose some I'll just suck it up and not worry about it, I'm not going to redo the power leveling.

Indi is very very tricky with the order of doing quests. Some matter, some don't. There are some extremely tricky events like the purifying ring/reeker bulb in chapter 1, and the demon parts in chapter 4. I don't even know how people figured those out, you'd really have to experiment with the order of doing quests to find that. If you just do things as they appear in order you will lose a lot of secrets, but also if you skip the order you will also lose a lot of secrets. Takes a lot of experimenting, which I don't think people do because they just read the walkthroughs.

Right now I'm power leveling in chapter 3 to raise my legendary sword and accumulate enough cash to buy more items that I didn't stock up on yet because of cash issues. Then chapter 4 experiment

[Kale]

For the most part, the walkthrough came about as a collaboration of the Laxius Games forum. Mellowkat originally posted the initial walkthrough some time after the game had already been out. So members had already completed the chapter if not the entire game before the walkthrough was released. Then, she was deluged by responses from members that had found an item she had missed, or completed the quests in a different order and found something neat, etc. From that absolute slew of posts she someone managed to pull together everything into what you see today. The real mystery is where she found all the time and effort to do all that.

So it essentially came about because people like you experimented, did things differently, and reported the results. So carry on.

[puzzled]

Ok so I beat the brain without doing most of the quests, will report more when I try the quests tomorrow. I did notice that Luci and her team blocks the way to the king, which means the rat quest will be inaccessible to me. Luckily I promoted the tower guild, but that requires talking to the king so if you try what I try make sure you promote before Luci shows up.

That brain was surprisingly difficult because I was unaware of that pox condition. I had two charas at 99 and two at 85 and we almost lost because the pox wiped out random when he used fury (each slice counts as one turn so he kept losing hp) and sarah/wendy used their bonus attacks with random so he killed himself really fast lol.

[puzzled]

I am pleased to report that going straight with main quest doesn't interfere with the vast majority of the other quests/items in mellowkat's walkthrough.

There are some things that sort of matter you gotta do before the dome

1) baretta have to support her if you want to get all her unique items, which requires you do the demon parts quest (mage guild) and the first 2 fighter guild quests (kill monster and open the chest)

2) gotta do tournament with the doomed characters (louis, sandy, marion)

3) if you want to save the girl (general mage quest) gotta do with marion before she dies

4) if you want to help the guy in mooremoore village write a letter, gotta do with marion before she dies

5) quest 111 the escort guy is gone if you do the dome first. You can still escort the other guy in the back room, but the quest 111 guy has disappeared

6) people in throne room are inaccessible when luci shows up, so make sure you promote the tower guild, talk to alexandra for some gold, and do the rat quest

None of those are that important in my opinion, except maybe supporting baretta. Even then her unique items aren't very good so far.

[Kale]

That's some mighty fine detective work there. I'll be sure to set that information aside in case it comes up again in the future.

With Baretta you never know though. I'm thinking Laxius Power 1 had some issues with supporting her, where it required you to buy every item from her regardless of whether it was good or not. There's no telling if not buying her loaf of bread in chapter 4 will come back to haunt you later.